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Orlando Shooting: Excellent Piece by Marine Tim Lynch

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19 June 2016

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Tim is a retired Marine infantry officer. I spent much time with Tim in various provinces in Afghanistan, such as Nangarhar, Kabul, Kandahar, Helmand, Nimoroz.

Good Lord almighty we went everywhere together, often alone or with just one other man, an ex-Aussie Soldier named Shem.

First time Tim picked me up in Kabul to take me to Jalalabad, Nangarhar, there was a bag beside me in the backseat filled with grenades. I said I'll just help myself to a couple of these.

We were going down roads sometimes passing burning and blown-up, shot up vehicles. IED holes, and people who obviously were Taliban and associates, yet somehow we got away with it. You had to be there to believe it.

I was not advertising this at the time due to the obvious peril, but we both learned a lot about the war which left both of us ahead of the curve when writing about it.

This morning I checked Tim's website and saw that he posted on the Orlando shooting.

Our thoughts are parallel on this.

The people in the nightclub should have bum rushed the shooter, and the first two cops on the scene should have gone in there in the combat mode.

Anyway, people with much infantry or special operations combat experience realize that there should not have been a three-hour standoff. That should have been over in five minutes.

Some people offline have said, "But what if he had a bomb?" So what? What if he did have a bomb? You might die. Go in there and get him. If you die you die.

That was not a hostage situation. He was killing innocent people.

I published something similar after the Paris attack and Facebook blocked me for 7 days. Hopefully they will not block me this time.

After I saw Tim's piece, I just called him in Texas and we talked for about 20 minutes. I said right on, keep it coming.

This is real experience talking, not idle chatter and not bluster. We both have seen a lot of combat. There is only one thing to do in a situation like this -- attack, attack, attack:


Fourth Generation War Comes To America: What Are You Going To Do About It?

by babatim  on June 19th, 2016

Orlando is not the first mass shooting by a so called ‘Lone Wolf’ Islamic Jihadist in America; it’s the seventh in recent years but this one is different. The knee jerk reaction from the political left and their media enablers has (unbelievably) gained traction in the establishment media. The Orlando massacre has nothing to do with guns; decreasing the civil liberties of law abiding Americans is not the answer. A majority of the American public knows this and are dismissing the governing elites attempts to spin this attack for political advantage out of hand. The problem is Islamic Jihadists and the fact that they are embedded inside our society and are going to, with ever increasing frequency, attack the citizens around them in the name of Allah. It’s what they do.

I find myself in a unique position, given my background, training and experiences, to write about an appropriate response to the Icehole (the FRI name for ISIS) violence. I’m a retired Marine infantryman who taught at a professional firearms training academy for several years. I also spent over 8 years in Afghanistan; most of that time I was in the contested provinces and all of that time I lived outside the wire embedded inside the local community. I carried a sidearm (and often a rifle) daily and when in the south I was never without fragmentation grenades in both my vest pockets. I have spent decades studying the literature associated with gun fights and gun fighters. I met Dave Grossman before he published On Killing and used his unpublished manuscript when we remodeled the USMC Infantry Officer Course close combat package. I had the honor of meeting and listening to Col. Boyd before he passed. For those of you who do not recognize these names read on – they are the core of the Sheepdog phenomenon and Sheepdogs are about to step onto the historical stage and light the way for freedom loving peoples to follow.

That the target was a gay night club is irrelevant. Homosexuality and Islam have a strange relationship due to the many peculiar customs routine among unmarried young adult males that in the west would consider homosexual. That’s old news. My speculation is that the nature of the target aided the Icehole shooter by de-humanizing his targets through the interpretation of the targeted group contained in the Koran. He could have targeted a stripper bar or any kind of bar for the same reason.

This observation enrages the gay rights crowd who insist this attack was an attack on gays specifically and thus a hate crime first and a Jihadist crime second. I am not sure what difference it makes to view the attack this way; as far as I’m concern this was an attack on the foundations this country was founded on and thus an attack on all of us; not just gays. But I have family and friends who find this view reprehensible and I don’t know what to say about that except I love my family and friends and am trying to show them a way forward that is not predicated on fear.

 

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It is clear that our federal and local law enforcement agencies are not capable of protecting us from the Islamic Jihadi threat. Look at the latest Icehole Shooter; interviewed by the FBI twice, a gun store owner refused to sell him weapons or body armor and reported him to the FBI as a potential Jihadi terrorist, the store that did sell him the guns also called the FBI after doing so because they thought him a potential threat. The Orlando police department waited three hours to take him down and how many people bled out and died due to the delay is unknown but (given the circumstances) had to be a considerable. There was even an off duty cop outside the club who traded shots with the Icehole but then fell out of the media narrative. Where did he go? Why didn’t he follow the Icehole in and try to take him out? I’ don’t know but I also cannot think too many valid reasons for the lack of follow up.

People who chose a career in law enforcement tend to focus on the skills needed for professional development. If they are not part of a tactical team proficiency with firearms are not a requirement. The ability to pass annual qualification is all that is needed for advancement. Qualification and training are two different things but a vast majority of police officers will never use their service sidearm so it is hard to justify four or five day tactical training courses. Paying for the manpower hours, range time and ammunition is beyond the capabilities of most law enforcement agencies. There are plenty of police officers who train regularly on their own time and have excellent gun handling and combat marksmanship skills. One of them was pulling security at a recent Pam Geller event in Garland, Texas. How stopped two Jihadi’s, armed with rifles and wearing body armor, with head shots from his Glock .45 service pistol. That officer demonstrated tier one operator levels of performance in combat marksmenship and tactical decision making. There are many like him but most police in most places cannot be expected to perform at that level.

Obama and the sycophants he has installed at the helm of the American government are still importing tens of thousands of un-assimilateable, hostile Muslims (not our former interpreters who we promised could come here) into our country and setting them up with our tax money. Why?

Mistaking the government for a competent entity that cares about the average American citizen is insane. We’re on our own when it comes to Islamic terrorists folks and my question is what are you going to do about it?

 

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For a vast majority the best thing to do is nothing. The chances of being caught up in one of these attacks are remote. You can live your life without changing daily routines or habits because you will never be caught up in a terrorist attack. This is the “hope” plan as in “I hope it doesn’t happen to me” and given the laws of averages it will prove a solid plan for the vast majority currently residing in the United States.

Those who do nothing about the threat of Jihadi’s are sheep; they cannot or will not accept responsibility for their personal safety or the safety of those around them. The law of averages, not The Law  is their only protection. But the law of averages is moot if you are in the cross-hairs and there are thousands of Americans alive today who will be killed by Jihadis in the future because our government has neither the will or ability to stop them.

For law abiding Americans who believe hope is not an adequate plan there is another option and that is to become a sheepdog. Human Sheepdogs are, by nature, not a threat to their fellow citizens but are death dealing fighting machines when they, their loved ones or the sheep  (other citizens) are in peril. To be effective in this role the sheepdog needs to be prepared mentally, physically and emotionally for close quarters battle (CQB). Death lurks in the CQB environment; the only way to beat death is to kill without hesitation or remorse. That is not easy to do.

Don’t think you’re up for that? Think again,  if a woman can fight off a mountain lion with her bare hands or a retiree with poor gun handling skills can not capable of protecting us (who both had guns) out of an internet cafe then you can take on a Icehole Jihadi. The other option is to submit and die.

If you are a christian who believes your religion forbids the taking of human life I urge you to read this postat the Captain Journal. Herschel Smith can sort you out in a heart beat. He is also the most prolific (and best) blogger in the country on Sheepdog related issues.

 

Sheepdog Mental Conditioning

Perspective sheepdogs should start their professional development with the man who came up with the Sheepdog concept; LTC Dave Grossman, USA (Ret) and his book On Killing. Understanding the psychological basis for overcoming man’s instinctive reluctance to taking a human life is critical to developing the mind set required to fight and survive in a close quarter gun battle. One of the most important lessons to internalize from Col Grossman is his intra vs extra species conflict model. Many of you are familiar with the “fight or flight” model which is a good conflict model for exta-species encounters. When confronted by a Rattlesnake your options are to kill it or leave it alone and leave the area. When confronted with a human threat the fight or flight model expands to include posture and submission. Most of the fights you have witnessed in your life involved tedious verbal and physical posturing before the adversaries came to blows. Many victims of violent crime submitted when confronted by the criminal. Understanding how violent encounters escalate as well as the normal human responses to violence is imperative because the Sheepdog has to learn to bypass them to be effective.

Another essential book is The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker. Dave Grossman speaks at the Gavin DeBecker and Associates Mosaic Threat Assessment seminars and I was scheduled to go to one years ago but it was cancelled due to wildfires at the venue in Big Bear. I remain disappointed to this day. The Gift of Fear is a textbook on how to spot human predatory behavior. This understanding hones the senses by providing a framework that assists in anomaly detection. Detecting anomalies within the daily pattern of life is the quickest way to identify a potential threat. You do not need a laundry list of things to look for you just need to pay attention to every anomaly that catches your eye. Behaviors like loitering, angry hostile stares, excessive headgear in warm weather, sunglasses at night etc… could mean something or could mean nothing.

We have been told by the media, educators, politicians and other members of the ruling class that violent acts are unpredictable. That is absolutely not true and DeBecker’s book will teach you why. Remember our most recent Icehole shooter was throwing off such obvious, hostile vibes that two gun stores reported him to the FBI. How do you think that Icehole was looking before he unmasked inside the Pulse nightclub …what kind of vibes was he throwing off?  DeBecker will teach you what is already ingrained inside your brain housing group and that’s how to spot predators. More importantly he’ll eliminate the most common response to the sudden appearance of dangerous anomalies which is denial.

 

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The last topic to read up on is the OODA loop. There is much written by and about Col John Boyd, USAF (Ret) so a link to a compendium of his writings is here. OODA is the acronym for Observe Orient Decide Act and it’s importance to a gunfighter cannot be overstated. Once you enter the fray you function on mental and physical conditioning; there is minimal cognition occurring as you adjust to the noise suppressing, vision narrowing, fine motor skill degrading rush of adrenaline. It is tough to handle which is why high end firearms instruction includes breathing exercises that are designed to bleed off adrenaline and keep the pulse below 150. The time to think is while observing and the sooner you orient onto a target the more time you have to prepare for the upcoming fight. Once the flag drops there is no time for thinking…only action counts.

The next post will cover the mechanics of gun-fighting in the close quarter environment but there is one more component of the combat mindset that needs to be internalized and its not good news. If you are in the midst of a Jihadi attack and present a gun to fight back you’re going to get shot. There is no way around it; you have to understand up front you will be hit so that when you are hit you stay in the fight. Being shot is not the same as being killed and most people who are shot in America do not die.

Of course it is possible to intervene in a shooting and come out of the encounter without a scratch but you can’t think that is going to happen before you fight.  You have to understand you’re going to get hit and might well die and then you have to ignore that and fight like a demon possessed. Going through the crucible and emerging without a scratch means you’re lucky, or blessed or cursed….as some of my fellow vets know being the one guy to walk away from a gunfight without a scratch can be a curse as well as a blessing….but I digress.

People who have been hit hard will bleed out if they are left in a pool of their own blood for three hours before the cops feel its safe enough for them to go in and get them. For the people who were shot at the Pulse it was their bad luck to be attacked in a city with a substandard, risk adverse, tactical unit.

 

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The Sheepdog deals with reality not the narrative and the reality is he is on his own when confronting Iceholes (or common criminals dubbed ‘teens’ by the establishment media). So my perspective sheepdog friends remember the essential truth for sheepdogs. If caught up in an Icehole attack  you are on your own. There is no one coming to help you; you have to deal with the threat and rescue the injured because that’s what sheepdogs do. Sheepdogs are humans who are not perfect, we are tolerant of the normal faults and foibles of our fellow man with one exception: we cannot stand and will not associate with cowards.

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    Fred Wyant · 2 years ago
    Right on! I asked the same questions about the guard at the club, who has never been heard of again to my knowledge. And, I asked some friends why even a few people could not have rushed the shooter and taken him out? Further, it is unconscionable that the police waited three hours to storm the club! This country needs more sheepdogs.
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    Matthew · 2 years ago
    I have one quibble with the article but it's important for people to understand. The left's anti-gun reaction to Orlando is not "knee-jerk". Their response and the accompanying rhetoric is carefully planned, waiting, and ready to go whenever one of the mass shootings happens. It's at the core of their ideology to confiscate all guns so they can implement their command/control leftist agenda at will with no fear of armed uprising. Those at the core of the movement know they're peddling lies. They don't care. They know the "gun free" zones are really kill zones. They don't care. They love it when people get murdered like in Orlando because, as Democrat Rahm Emmanuel said, you never want to let a "crisis" go to waste because it allows you (i.e., leftist government) to do things you normally could not.

    There's nothing knee-jerk about their anti-gun reaction. Their reaction was planned and in waiting for the moment to come.
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      Daniel · 2 years ago
      ...about the "non-violent" (for now) subversive and canned rhetoric Jihadis lurking in our societal and governmental woodwork that prevent us from Observing and Orienting and taking Decisive Action.
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      Brad Zimmerman · 2 years ago
      I couldn't have said it better myself! As a constitutional conservative, we cannot compromise with the liberals. They have to be defeated. It's a political war/battle that we have to win if we are to save our freedoms and liberties!
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    Elaine Morris · 2 years ago
    I'm so impressed that I can't even explain it!
    WOW! You nailed it all!
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    joe · 2 years ago
    This guy claimed association with three Islamic groups that all hate each other (Hezbollah, Al Nusrah, and DAESH). Based on all those close to him, the whole radical jihadist crap was just to get more attention and help justify his real motive, which was to kill a lot of gays because he was mentally unstable and most likely a bit light in the loafers.

    This is NOT 4th generation warfare. We MAY see it, but so far we've just had nuts who get into a tight spot, and lash out (from FT HOOD to BOSTON). So far, the US does a pretty good job of incorporating immigrants into the community (unlike in Europe). Again, we MAY see a cell of semi-trained shooters do a Paris/Mumbai-style attack, but so far it's been amateur night in the US.
    I think there's more to the story to explain how a guy could rack up 103 casualties having owned the carbine less than a week; I'm not implying a conspiracy, but I think there had to have been a choke point (like with the "Great White" concert fire) or perhaps 15-25 were hit with friendly fire or something.
    We'll get the whole story eventually, but as I see it, it's too soon to speculate on very much--much less write a full essay on it.
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      Lorenz Gude · 2 years ago
      I don't think you are justified in concluding that the Orlando shooter's anti gay or conflicted gay feeling were his real motive and jihad was not. It could easily have been both and in my view probably was. It really doesn't matter that there are people with a variety of motives killing people with guns. Like Darren Roof or the jerk who killed Jo Cox in the UK last week. Or the Ft. Hood Islamic radical or the Paris jihadis. It is an anywhere anytime threat and it is worldwide. The whole notion of gun control is predicated on the idea of legally controllable borders around nations. Even Australia, where given its island nature has successfully implemented gun control, has not been able to keep guns out of the hands of those determined to obtain and use them. We had a obviously insane Muslim take over a Lindt chocolate shop in Sydney last year and he killed hostages before the police took him out. If you want a gun free zone you have to use a metal detector and check everybody. Alternately we can form sheepdog clubs and make sure the people who join them learn how to handle active shooter situations understand the law as it applies to them in such a situation. Americans actually have a constitutional right to do that which stipulates a well regulated militia. In today's environment regulation means combat and legal training for just such eventualities.
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        joe · 2 years ago
        My point was that the evidence we have doesn't point to a 4th generation war. All we've had are nuts--not trained people with direct connections other than one guy who imported a radical bride.
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        Clause · 2 years ago
        So, I work as a firefighter/paramedic and have done so for 25 years. This is still just a blip on the horizon of things you should worry about that kill you. It is sad that these 49 souls died, but sorry - a plane crash kills more. Lack of adequate food and water in many countries kills thousands of people. Cancer kills millions. Put it into perspective, people. We spend TRILLIONS on defense when we should be using is to help people in more productive ways.
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      Evan · 2 years ago
      Joe - We need more people like you in this discussion. Thoughtful and patient responses are in scarce supply. We will learn much over the coming weeks. Thanks for a great comment.
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      Milo · 2 years ago
      You hit the nail right on the head, Joe. Very refreshing to read it after reading comments like, "[The left] loves it when people get murdered like in Orlando". If you want to fight an enemy (be it political, military, or whatever), you ought to *know* that enemy.
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        Matthew · 2 years ago
        The left does love it when these kinds of terror attacks happen. Look at how much anti-gun, anti-conservative, anti-Trump, and anti-Republican sentiment they have managed to stir up with an election just a few months away.

        If you don't understand what a coldly ruthless power mad bunch of leftist government gangsters these are you haven't been paying attention. They couldn't give a rat's ass about the victims of crime or terror. All they care about is how they can use what happened to their advantage.
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          Clause · 2 years ago
          I am calling BS on you. You are full of shite.
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          Milo · 2 years ago
          Matthew - you do realize that "anti-Trump" is not the same as "anti-conservative," right? While I'm guessing you don't have the greatest expertise when it comes to supply-side vs. Keynesian economics and whatnot, trust me: Trump is no more conservative than Fidel Castro. The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.
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            Matthew · 2 years ago
            Yes I do realize all those things. I'm not sure how we took a turn into economics but if offering the comment you did makes you feel smart good for you.
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      Matthew · 2 years ago
      I think this "meh" attitude is recklessly naive. The fact that those terror organizations hate each other means nothing. Mateen was probably some impressionable young guy who thought they were all "cool" and pledged loyalty to a few whose videos he watched. He probably didn't dig too deeply into the web of factions and rivalries to be found in the region.

      I think you're trying to impress people with your cavalier dismissive attitude and use of terms like "4th Generation Warfare". It seems like every week brings a new attack somewhere, they're telling us they are coming here, "loan wolves" are a threat, the San Bernardino terrorist's garage was described as an IED factory, etc., etc., etc.

      ...but...hey...let's compare all that to some definition like "4th Generation Warfare" and if what's happening doesn't match up perfectly then..."meh"

      (sigh and head shake)
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      Baba T · 2 years ago
      The shooter was a 20 year old product of the public education system. How many 20 year olds in Florida would even know who or what Hexbollah, Al Nusrah or Daesh is? His family came from Central Asia not the Middle East and they are Pashtun not Arabic but the kid knows about the various players in MENA. He was obviously doing some research, that he didn't understand what he found has more probably indicates he was a dummy. I don't know and neither do you.
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      RP · 2 years ago
      Excellent comments.
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        RP · 2 years ago
        I was not in the military, never at war and have no first hand knowledge of such things. The only experience I have is being in bee bee gun wars with other kids and having stray bullets zip past my head while deer hunting and into the ground next to me. From my bee bee guns wars I know the benefit of having good quality covering fire when making a frontal assault. I got peppered more than once before I learned that lesson.

        Couple of questions though, how do any of these people know that no one did try to charge the assailant? We can assume most people didn't because I know in WW2 they found that only a small % of soldiers even fired their guns in combat. Like most of these victims I assume most just hunkered down and prayed for deliverance. The military changed their training programs after the war and got significantly higher participation because of it. This does, however, point out that without training most people will just hunker down hoping the storm spares them.

        It also is apparent that the "trained" and armed security at the club were out gunned and withdrew. That really is the first point of gun control efforts- not being out gunned. These AR-15's are powerful weapons .223 high velocity rounds, at least I think that is what they are, with high capacity and fast change magazines. The security guys- at least one a trained, experienced policeman, knew they were no match for that much firepower. While I have to believe, never having seen one up close, that the AR -15 is not nearly as accurate as a bolt action hunting model they are quick and accurate enough for killing people at close to medium range. Much like handguns they are designed to bring out the "Cowboy/ Rambo" character in these madmen. They should be banned.
        Handguns should be sold only to people who can demonstrate a need for them. These handgun armed cowboys will end up shooting each other or themselves or family members before they will ever use their pee shooters to kill a jihadists.
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          ST DOg · 2 years ago
          You obviously (and admittedly) know nothing of weapons.

          First, the dope didn't even use an AR. The weapon he did use operates very differently. The only thing they share is the round it was chambered for (but not all MCX's are 5.56)

          They most definitely are not designed to bring it said characteristics. They are however fun, because of the light recoil, cost, and easy customization. You can shoot 100 rnds in a day w/o issue, while bigger stuff like .30-30, .30-06, or .308 will leave you sore and severely lighten your wallet.

          BTW, 5.56 (.223) is not a particularly powerful round. And using fully jacketed rounds just reduces it's capabilities. Unless a vital organ is hit, or aid is delayed, you'll survive being hit by one.

          As for need, you clearly can't read and certainly don't understand the 2nd amendment.

          As for jihadists, you clearly don't understand them either. Ever notice that they don't use the ubiquitous AK-47 in their homelands? Why?
          What do you think they'll use here is semi-auto rifles became hard to get? (Think Boston and pressure cookers).
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    Elaine Morris · 2 years ago
    I am in awe of your comment. I can't possibly add anything to your comment.

    I am SO GLAD we have you and others like you to keep us informed of the "reality" vs. assumptions, propaganda, etc.
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    Adinasi · 2 years ago
    At our school the sad, first line of defense is our principal's dog, because it barks at anyone it doesn't recognize. More and more I find myself contemplating breaking every public school rule that exists and keeping a firearm concealed in my school for that improbable but possibly tragic situation where an Iceholish type decides to offer us up for sacrifice.
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    Bill · 2 years ago
    I agree with the sheepdog approach but find it hard to understand how several hundred so-called gays were so weak in the knees to not turn on the shorter as he reloaded. Lives would have been saved and maybe the brave ones might have suffered some losses.
    This situation paints a very sad image of these weak persons.
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      joe · 2 years ago
      It's easy to quarterback it and call people cowards and weak--it even makes some people feel stronger.
      But we don't know much about the situation yet. Many believed him when he said he had a bomb--and if you attack a guy with a bomb vest, all you do is kill everyone around him. Even the police disengaged for awhile.
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        Daniel · 2 years ago
        ...make a fake looking bomb for crowd control purposes. "Don't move! I've got a bomb" and pull out some railroad flares taped together with electrical tape and a taped on fake timer. You know, a "device" that can delay things for hours.
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      Milo · 2 years ago
      "So-called" gays? Are there people who are really straight but take it up the rear because they are "in the closet"? :P
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    Lyman Moores · 2 years ago
    I liked your article and agree 100% you can't wait when you have an active shooter, you have to go directly after him, do not hesitate, and take him out. And this is what we train to do, again and again, do not wait, go after the shooter/ threat and take him out. Why they waited in Orlando to enter and what justification they used, I would also like to know.

    What I disagree with the author is that the average police officer is a sheep, isn't trained in how to fight and doesn't know what to do in a gunfight, bull crap on that! We train in active shooter all the time, and all the cops I know would not have hesitated entering into the night club to take that active shooter out, not thinking about themselves, but thinking about saving inicent citizens lives, that's the mind thought of the cops I know, they are a far cry from being anything close to a sheep.

    I would challenge the author to come out and ride with some of our great law enforcement men and woman and see what police work is really like before making yyshoddy, off the cuff comments. We are all in this together. In the past 28 years I have been working in Law Enforcement, two of my friends have died defending the citizens of the community they lived in and many many more have had gunfights that they did not hesitate to put their lives first, many still have the wounds and scars to prove it.
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    Kurt Olney · 2 years ago
    Not sure why the police waited so long or that those in the club did not assault the assailant. As for the Islamist who killed all those people, I understand his motive--he is a Muslim and implemented Jihad. It is as simple as that. Islam is not compatible with the Western World. And please don't correlate it to Christians..
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    Milo · 2 years ago
    So there are a couple things in this essay I take issue with:

    After describing some of his military experience, the author says, "The people in the nightclub should have bum rushed the shooter". While it may be true that this would have been the smartest thing to do (I have no idea if it actually is or not), it makes absolutely no sense to second guess civilians' actions in a situation they have never even been *close* to being in before. They were most likely in abject terror; the author has had years of training and experience when it comes to these kinds of things, and probably cannot imagine what it would be like for someone who does not.

    The other thing is at one point he says, "For a vast majority the best thing to do is nothing. The chances of being caught up in one of these attacks are remote. You can live your life without changing daily routines or habits because you will never be caught up in a terrorist attack." Now I think this is absolutely true; it is why I don't prepare for, or worry about, getting caught up in a mass shooting. But then he goes on to call those people "sheep"; I can't quite tell if he is trying to be derogatory or not, as the term is usually used to insult, but it *seems* like he uses the word simply to describe people he and his ilk have a duty to protect. But then he goes on to say, "they cannot or will not accept responsibility for their personal safety". This is absolutely untrue; I absolutely accept responsibility for my own safety, and part of that is focusing on those things that are most likely to threaten my safety. An hour spent at the gun range will not improve your chances of survival nearly as much as, say, an hour spent in a defensive driving course.
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      amr · 2 years ago
      Just utilizing situation awareness is very important, as I learned from being in the military and very applicable to civilian life. If, for example, you keep aware and notice a gang of teenagers who are acting up you can change direction early on and not look weak calling attention to you, but you are acting safely. Been there done that. One becomes proactive immediately when in an unavoidable situation, but situation awareness can keep you from getting into that situation in the first place. Now that I carry, I am even more alert and do even more to avoid a dangerous situations, acting unlike the cowboy rhetoric from the Left attached to people like me.
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    Pete · 2 years ago
    After the Columbine HS shootings were reviewed the law enforcement community changed their usual tactics when dealing with active shooters. The Orlando PD clearly failed to act and ought to be held accountable for the deadly delay. I have no doubt there are Orlando cops who would have gone after the shooter but were acting under orders.Those "order givers" need to be sacked.
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    Warman · 2 years ago
    WOW! Tough guy lynch. Bunch of gay guys bumrush the shooter-What a stupid idea. Sounds tough but totally impossible. Typical of crazy comments coming from followers that listen to right wing hate radio and watch FOX news. None of this would be happening if the Bush gang had left Iraq alone
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      ST DOg · 2 years ago
      There are many example that show ordinary people can do things like rush an attacker if motivated.

      See Flight 93 on 9/11/2001.

      It is not impossible. And if more people were being encouraged to act instead of cower in fear, it would be more likely.
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        John · 2 years ago
        That "let's roll" story was pure feel good fiction. It never happened. The terrorists told the passengers to call their loved ones and tell them they are about to die? C'mon. Cell phones don't work while a plane is high in the air and travelling at 6 or 700 mph. The plane is moving between cell sites so rapidly, the call would just drop. There needs to be time for one cell to handed off to the next. In 2001 cellular technology is way behind where it is today. And the aerial view of the plane authorities called the debris field? There was no debris. Just a mound of dirt in the shape of a plane. The plane would have had to have come to full a stop in midair and fallen straight down belly first in order to make an impression like that. These are things we can know from evidence. The only theoretical part is, what actually happened. We know jets were scrambled from Otis AFB I believe those pilots were that other hijacked planes were destroying buildings so take that plane down at all costs. And then a narrative was constructed to protect the pilots from the scorn of the families of the passengers.
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          Sam · 2 years ago
          I saw flight 93 as it made its' slow left hand turn over Cleveland towards DC. It wasn't flying at 25,000 feet - more like 2500 feet. It was also flying very slow for a plane of it's type and size. Under those conditions, a cell phone call from inside the plane would be very possible - even in 2001.
          I would argue that the reason why the people on flight 93 fought back was due to the fact that they had something that most people in crisis situations do not have -- time. This is not to minimize their bravery by any means or suggest that others in different situations can't fight back. If you were in a situation where you knew you were going to die if you did nothing but also knew you could improve your odds by fighting back, what would you do? As people, we tend to do whatever we think will save ourselves. Sitting in their seats while the terrorists used their airplane as a cruise missile meant certain death. Trying to regain control of the aircraft gave them at least a chance to survive. They had time to think all of this through. They made the logical choice.
          Most people don't have time to think about any of this and do what comes natural to themselves in the moment - they run away. With training, or even just thinking things through beforehand, that natural instinct can be overcome. That is the real difference between a sheep and a sheepdog, to use the author's terms.
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      Arlene Cole · 2 years ago
      I am a 65 year old woman who would not hesitate to bum rush someone trying to kill me. I would rather die on my feet than die hiding under a table! About 10 years ago I witnessed 4 guys with baseball bats jump out of a car and go after a guy on a bicycle. I was alone, but did not hesitate to come to the defense of the victim. Just the fact that I intervened, threatened to call the cops, and refused to back down was enough to allow the victim time to get back to his bicycle and eventually ride away. It was probably a stupid thing I did, but I didn't even think about it - I saw a crime being committed and I acted to prevent someone from being hurt or killed. I have no formal training, though I do carry everything from mace and a screwdriver to a handgun. Personally, I believe self-preservation and abortion are closely linked because it seems that the same people who are incapable of protecting themselves or others also are pro-abortion. Just saying....
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    Mike Moore · 2 years ago
    We had a situation arise in our church causing us to consider steps we would take if we had an active shooter in the building. One option was to pay off-duty cops to sit with the congregation for a while near the door. Another was for individuals to arm themselves. One of our members is a retired policeman. His point was that in all likelihood, as soon as a weapon was drawn, our armed civilians would probably mess their pants unless they had previous combat experience.
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    Retired Military · 2 years ago
    Protect yourself and family. The police don't prevent these acts, they only help end them or apprehend those committing them after the fact. Good read, but too lengthy. Bottom line - this will happen again, so be ready to protect yourself and loved ones.
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    Just a thought · 2 years ago
    I wanted to mention that the Orlando PD have been pretty clear that once they engaged the shooter inside the nightclub, he fell back and barricaded himself in a restroom with a number of patrons, which in their view changed the situation from an active shooter situation to a hostage situation, which in the judgment of those on the ground justified the change in tactics. The circumstances allowed them to aid and evacuate many people inside the nightclub and rescue others from other rooms of the building. So although I agree with many of the points made in this post, assuming the facts the PD have presented are true, those facts are not consistent with some assumptions made in this post, and based on those facts I don't think it's fair to second guess the PD's decision not to attempt to kill the shooter during the hour standoff. That decision may have saved many lives.
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      Baba T · 2 years ago
      They could also have been told to stand down from on high. I updated the post to reflect the fact that I have no insight and was unfair to imply the men on the scene had more variables in play and may well have been pushing to go in and get him. The post was updated after my Dad chewed my butt about it,
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    C Breeze · 2 years ago
    I am "old school" law enforcement (Viet Nam; Civil rights era..). Trained for the last time that cops were targeted and killed all those years ago..); Now in 'active' 70+ retirement, but STILL armed (concealed) almost daily for over 50 years. I've "run INTO situations" for most of my career life, and will NOT surrender to murderous aggression for as long as I continue to breath (My progeny, and yours, may one day depend on my "sheepdog" presence in a location I might possibly be in)......
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    R_Lee · 2 years ago
    If anyone had bothered to read LTC Dave Grossman, USA (Ret) and his book On Killing; you would get most of your questions answered on why a whole building full of people were slaughtered and get thoughtful perspective of the mindset of human nature and mans reluctance to kill or even defend himself in the face of imminent danger. Recently, i was reading Major Dick Winters book, :Beyond Band of Brothers; and Winters talks about knowing who his "Killers" are. Being a non-reg myself and someone who enjoys military history; I've always assumed (naively) everyone in the Military carried the "Killer" card.. (spoiler alert..) They don't! Thank you Michael for sharing that link with us. Even if everyone didn't bother to delve into that background like I did. I wasn't in the Military, but as I read military history i constantly wonder what persona would emerge in the moment of truth in battle. I would like to think that I would have the fortitude to survive/thrive in battle, but one must experience it first-hand to find out. Even if the battlefield finds itself inside a gay bar in Orlando, Fl.
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    archy · 2 years ago
    It's only been about a year ago that a French passenger on a train took on a jihadi and was WIA doing it. His act bought enough time for three us servicemen also aboard to join in the party, get the bad guy's handgun [9mm Luger] and AK away from him, beat the snot out of him and get him hogtied for the authorities who missed out on protecting everyone in the first place. They then did their best at providing first aid to those injured during the event, amid the complaints from jihadi boy about how they were interfering with his holy mission and to release him immediately and give him back his Kalash. Eventually, the French government got around to recognizing the heroism of the joint action, not what the Yanks had been looking for, but a nice touch, since their own government has failed to do anything of the sort.

    And now we are told, again and again, how much improved the US military will be for the inclusion of gays, lesbians, transsexuals and animal husbandry practitioners being included in the ranks. Odd how if so, the fighting spirit of that community failed to show up to protect even itself, much less our society and nation as a whole, and let the murderer kill off 49 of its own and variously wound about as many again. They couldn't find three of the sort on the French train, not even one who died trying but failed, though some press reports claim at least one or two active-duty military personnel were inside the club during the event. Hopefully, they were not combat arms personnel, but came from the tail of support troops and those who enlisted *to get an education.*

    That does not speak well for the military utility of those of that subculture. But perhaps they can be used for clearance of land mines or other high risk operations on which real soldiers should not be wasted.
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    valerie blount · 2 years ago
    Thank you, Michael....and thank you to all who take the time to post comments. Words can not describe the appreciation I feel for your thoughts. There truly are a lot of educated, informed people out there. Of course we hear about the bad apples daily...that sells papers....but that's ok....gotta know about them as well. God Bless America and Happy Fourth!
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    Arlene Cole · 2 years ago
    Michael (Yon): I have been following your posts on and off for many years now, and always appreciate your insight into different military and political occurrences. Thank you for what you do for all of us. Thank you for your Service to our Country. Please be safe wherever you go, and may God continue to watch over you and Bless You.

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